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    i live in Westchester Co. and i will be picking up my application for a pistol permit next week. when filling it out should i put the reason i want a permit is for "target shooting and personal protection" ? i would really like a unrestricted permit, but i have been told by friends to get a target shooting permit first, wait a year or two and then try to get the status changed to unrestricted. what happens if i apply for a unrestricted/full carry permit right way and i am denied, can i then at that time request a target shooting permit? i really do not know much about the whole process but from my limited knowledge it appears West. Co. makes things very hard for a honest law abiding citizen like myself to get a unrestricted permit.

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    If you apply for an unrestricted permit and you are denied you are given a restricted permit, at least that's how it work in the rest of NY. The entire state (except Livingston county from my experience) makes it tough for an honest person to legally possess a handgun. When I applied I put down "All lawful purposes" for my reason to want a license.

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    i guess i will put "target shooting, personal protection and all lawful purposes" and see what happens.

    i find it quite upsetting that an honest, law abiding citizen with no criminal record, no history of mental illness etc. will have to jump through hoops only to be denied a unrestricted permit. the powers that be should have to prove why someone like myself does not deserve a permit, instead of me proving why i want or deserve one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BMW RIDER View Post
    i guess i will put "target shooting, personal protection and all lawful purposes" and see what happens.

    i find it quite upsetting that an honest, law abiding citizen with no criminal record, no history of mental illness etc. will have to jump through hoops only to be denied a unrestricted permit. the powers that be should have to prove why someone like myself does not deserve a permit, instead of me proving why i want or deserve one.
    I completely agree. I believe there are a few court cases in the works that could affect the way NYS does pistol licenses.

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    I believe there are a few court cases in the works that could affect the way NYS does pistol licenses.
    as the old saying goes "the wheels of justice turn slowly" i hate to say it but i would be willing to bet it will be a very long time before any of those court cases have any real effect of how NYS handles pistol permits.

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    I told the detective I would like a full carry and got a look and a slight no way head shake lol.. I was told the best chance was target and was given a extra page just for that. I assume you have to pick one or the other. Ask before you leave without the extra rider to the app.

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    For the permit reason, I wrote Target and Personal Protection on the Westchester application. The permit officer told me to cross off personal protection and write in the target purpose only for chances of best success. I wasn't sure when I applied whether applying for the full carry (and subsequent denial) would result in a restricted license or an outright denial and didn't want to take that chance.

    Make sure you get the additional westchester target application doc and be really specific as to how often you are going to shoot and specific locations. The permit officer was very specific about making sure you relay to the judge that you are very serious about target shooting. I said 3-4 times monthly on my application and happy to say i've been living up to that (and having a blast doing it).

    Agreed with Koi, I wouldn't take anything for granted in Westchester - ask a lot of questions.

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    I agree with tmurg...you don't want an outright denial. I don't remember where I read it, but in NY once you are denied *for any reason*, thats it, you're denied. To try to go back and get just Target once you've been denied for Full will need the services of an attorney, with then needing to prove that you'll abide by the Target restrictions when the issuing officer already knows that what you really want is full concealed carry. You have to remember...NY State is hell-bent on controlling who *owns* guns...the whole *carry restrictions* BS is just a smokescreen. You can't buy a handgun until you've been issued a permission slip to use it in the way that you told the issuing officer.

    You apply for full carry, get denied, re-apply for Target, and they can argue that your *intent* is to carry in public and deny you again, because they don't trust you. Its all about control, and denying you your 2A rights for as long as they can.

    This is why NY State has earned the distinction of being *the most* restrictive state in the Union regarding handguns. Thankfully, we have upstate judges who understand that the whole licensing scheme is BS, and when you apply, you almost always get Unrestricted unless you specifically ask for Target only. What I find amusing is that Westchester doesn't want evil handguns in the county, but *my* judge gave me a license that says *Unrestricted* on it, which means I can go into Westchester while carrying concealed, and can't be hassled...I can go to a restaurant in Westchester with a friend who *lives* in Westchester, and I would be perfectly legal, while he has to leave his pistol home.

    How screwed up is *that*?

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    I wouldn't complain too much or too loudly about that last bit.


    As for the current state of things, it may take a few years but the proper course of action through the judicial system is going to alleviate a lot of the problems we see now. What we have been missing since 1911 (the start of the Sullivan Law) is civil rights protection. There hasn't been a mandate for respect for the citizen as an individual nor a firm solid establishment of equal treatment under the law. A person deserves no less recognition and exercise of their rights because they live in Westchester instead of Montana or Georgia, particularly not just because a government official "thinks" they shouldn't.
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    well, from the replies i got i think my best bet is to apply for a target permit and then at some point in the future see if i can have the status changed to a unrestricted permit.

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