Stockless rifle legal?

[Solscud007]

Ok so to preface this post. I am waiting for my Pistol License. I dont know when or if I will get it. So I am thinking what can I do in the meantime?

I shoot a KRISS Vector at my local Pistol action matches. They allow pistol caliber carbines. During the matches I start at low ready and raise the carbine up to my cheek and fire. I would rather simulate a pistol. to hone the pistol skills that i lack.

I plan to use a blackhawk stealth weapon catch to "holster" the Vector to my side.

Here is an example.
http://www.patriotoutfitters.com/img...1300/11311.jpg


Then I got to thinking, why not remove the stock entirely? The KRISS Vector without the stock is 26.5" So it is still legal length as a rifle. Couldn't I engage stockless and thereby get a closer approximation of shooting a pistol while remaining legal in NY?

[Rich]

I would say it would not be legal. Here is a definition of "rifle".

11. "Rifle" means a weapon designed or redesigned,
made or remade, and intended to be
fired from the shoulder and designed or redesigned
and made or remade to use the energy
of the explosive in a fixed metallic cartridge to
fire only a single projectile through a rifled bore
for each single pull of the trigger.

If you remove the stock it is no longer "intended to be fired from the shoulder" so I do not believe it would classify as a rifle any longer.

[Solscud007]

How about this? haha. It can be fired from the shoulder. Sort of . . .

Stockless KRISS.jpg

[Rich]

It is hard to say. Is it "intended" to be fired from the shoulder in that configuration?

Welcome to the game of trying to decipher NYS laws.

[Solscud007]

That picture was a test to see how shouldering the KRISS stockless would feel. I was thinking a bullpup adapter could be made. Using the magwell as a grip and attaching a trigger system to the bottom rail. It is actually quite comfy shouldering it like that. Just activating the safety is awkard.

[MaxiMag]

I don't see why it wouldn't be legal. It doesn't have to classify as a rifle to be legal. As long as it doesn't classify as a pistol or short barrel rifle it should be fine. Remember, laws generally only tell you what is illegal, not what is legal. There has been a similar question on the federal side since NY has basically the same firearms definitions. Think about a semi browning 1919, it doesn't have a stock but the barrel is over 16" and the overall length is over 26".

[Dieter122]

Just needs the ABILITY to attach a stock. An AK without a buttstock but still with the tangs, still a rifle. When you swap a stock, etc it doesn't magically become a pistol. This is why on AKs you will see a steel flat plate welded onto the rear....so you can't attach a stock. And for any other gun a similar mod is done. Has have end plates, etc

I've had a stockless AK or two in the past. I too was concerned till I read more and asked more people I trusted to know.

Just my 2 cents. YMMV of course haha